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Smoking at my cigar shop now ILLEGAL

What a bummer! Next thing you know they will pass a law saying no cigar smoking in one's backyard.
 
one more reason why less government is a better government.

just my two pennies
 
tkoepp said:
Recent article expains that we have 60 days...

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/567725.html

if this is true... we are a GO for the Carlito event.
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Yes this is the case (as far as I can find). Carlito and Padron are good, so we can all calm down about that. After that my home away from home will never be the same.

Oh, but I guess I can always smoke at the casino, since they payed for the ballet initiative, and it just so happens to exempt them from the ban :angry:
 
I also guess it is time to get one of these to wear when I go out.

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Wildcard said:
KeithS said:
I support smoking bans in public places. I like smoking bans in resturants, I don't want to smell someones smoke when I'm trying to enjoy a meal.
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I disagree. I also don't much care for the smell of cigarette smoke while I am trying to enjoy my meal, but that doesn't mean it should be outlawed.

I believe that the owner of the restaurant should have the right to decide the smoking policy of the establishment he owns and shouldn't be forced to do what he doesn't feel is in the best interest of his business. If enough people want a non-smoking establishment, then there would be someone there to capitalize on that market. If you don't like the owner's rules complain to the owner or manager, not to the law makers.
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In our county restaurants do have a choice. They can ban anyone under 18 (even if the minor is accompanied by adults) and have smoking if they want. I don't know of any restaurants that did this though. I think that they felt this would damage their business more. I do enjoy not having to wait longer for no smoking, and then smelling smoke even though I waited for non smoking.

I see where smoking around non smokers can be offensive. Even though the second hand smoke health claims are BS, it smells bad, people should not have to be subjected to it. But to ban smoking in a business that exists for smokers is not right.

What these smoke nazis don't realize is that once they get all the smoking banned, what's next? When is something that they like to do going to get banned because others don't like it. How much controll over our lives are they willing to give to the government? Once we are used to living in a totally controlled societey how much more corrupt will our government get?
 
OpusXKC said:
Oh, but I guess I can always smoke at the casino, since they payed for the ballet initiative, and it just so happens to exempt them from the ban :angry:
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Why would they do that? Once smoking is banned everywhere else it makes it that much easier to get it banned in the casino. I would think they want to be as far away from scrutiny as possible.
 
Swissy said:
The other did a totally different thing. They no longer have employees, but co-owners! That is being challenged by the city and will be in court soon they say. Don't look too good is the rumor.
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I wonder if that would fly with this ban as in the text of the ballot it says "smoking in enclosed places of employment" which is what I assume is being used to prevent smoking at a tobacco shop, as they have employees.

EDIT: I think I can answer my own question with a no after reading the KC Ord. Chap 34

"Employee means any person who performs services for an employer, with or without compensation.

Employer means a person, partnership, association, corporation, trust, or other organized group of individuals, including the City or any agency thereof, which utilizes the services of one (1) or more employees.

Place of Employment means any enclosed area under the control of a public or private employer which employees normally frequent during the course of employment, including, but not limited to, work areas, employee lounges and restrooms, conference rooms and classrooms, employee cafeterias and hallways. A private residence is not a "place of employment" unless it is used as a childcare, adult day care or health care facility."
 
Sucks Bro. They've done the same thing here in Columbia. One of the oldest cigar shops in the city had to relocate because they couldn't smoke in their own store anymore. They were a historic location too, were probably there for over 30 years. They would always give change in 2 dollar bills and 50 cent pieces when appropriate. Was kind of cool. Very sad to see them go.
 
Eshaw99 said:
KeithS said:
Some places have already banned smoking in your car. I think it applies if minor children are present.
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While the anti-smoking agenda pisses me off, I have no problem with this particular aspect of it.
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Since I have no children, I don't care about that aspect! :sign: I'm kidding. :laugh:

Here in TN the ban is lifted for establishments that are 21 and over. Some local places (such as the local Fox and Hound pub) allow children during the day, but at 8 or 9, it's 21 only, and you can smoke.

I can understand why smoking should be banned. I wouldn't want (if I had any) my children around it either, but there should be (I agree with what TN has done) a way to make everyone happy.
 
Sorry to hear about KC's new ordinance but keep in mind most of us are already dealing with exactly the same problem.

In the state of Washington, you can't smoke in ANY public building. No exemptions for private clubs that I'm aware of; certainly, none have sprung up that I'm aware of. Not only that, you can't smoke within 20 feet of a building entrance, or air handler intake. Pretty common to see a yellow semicircles drawn on the pavement in a 20 foot radius outside the doors and below the air handlers at bars and taverns.

Of course what this did was to give the Indian tribes with casino's a monopoly in this area. One really nice cigar lounge that has sprung up is Smokey Joe's, which is on a casino property. How convenient; only three hours from my home.... :angry: At least in Oregon the no smoking law just passed does exempt existing "smoking lounges" from the law.

I have an answer to this issue, but it makes sense and therefore, it'll never fly. Instead of a smoking ban, pass a sign ordinance requiring places that allow smoking inside to post a sign by the front door stating that smoking is allowed. Allow but not require non-smoking establishments to post a "No Smoking" sign to inform the public as well. Let the public vote with their money and the free market decide. Duh.....

Regards, guys - B.B.S.
 
Eshaw99 said:
KeithS said:
Some places have already banned smoking in your car. I think it applies if minor children are present.
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While the anti-smoking agenda pisses me off, I have no problem with this particular aspect of it.
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Why stop with the car? Why not extend the law to cover smoking indoors in homes with less that XXX square feet...?? How about within XX feet of a kid, no matter where you are? Why not ticket parents that take their kids to McDonalds more than four times a year? How about parents that let their kids watch too much TV? You are running towards the edge of a very slippery slope, my friend.

No, I wouldn't smoke with little kids in the car but frankly that's the last thing I want the police to focus on. I think as a society we have bigger concerns than to burden our enforcement mechanism with draconian laws that are supposed to "protect" people from legal behavior that very likely hurts no one but the person involved.

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Regards - B.B.S.
 
I didn't realize there wasn't an exception for tobacco shops. When they banned smoking in Lawrence and some of the suburbs, they excluded tobacco shops.

The casino exception is a crock of sh!t IMO. Who enforces this? I really can't see the KCMO cops enforcing this on you guys. I'm sure they have a lot better things to do.
 
Aventinus said:
The casino exception is a crock of sh!t IMO.
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Indian casinos are on sovereign land, where US laws don't necessarily apply. Same story here in Washington, Oregon....anywhere with an Indian casino.

B.B.S.
 
This is frustrating to me because I go out of way not to smoke cigars in public, because I know it offends a lot of people. However, one thing I do enjoy is sitting in the lounge at the Outlaw enjoying a cigar and watching a game, or some poker with other guys who enjoy cigars. No one gets offended(well, at least not by my smoke).

Now, smokers have absolutely no options of places to go in public where they can smoke. Non smokers do, and did, have places they could go that are smoke free. There had already been a movement of restaurants, bars, etc. that had gone the smoke free route. Now, smokers are out. They have no smoking only places to go.

By the way, I don't smoke cigarettes, and I think the smell of them is awful. However, I do respect people and their right to choose what they want to do. Well, I guess I better enjoy my alcohol and cheeseburgers, because I'm sure one of those is the next target.
 
BlindedByScience said:
Eshaw99 said:
KeithS said:
Some places have already banned smoking in your car. I think it applies if minor children are present.
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While the anti-smoking agenda pisses me off, I have no problem with this particular aspect of it.
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Why stop with the car? Why not extend the law to cover smoking indoors in homes with less that XXX square feet...?? How about within XX feet of a kid, no matter where you are? Why not ticket parents that take their kids to McDonalds more than four times a year? How about parents that let their kids watch too much TV? You are running towards the edge of a very slippery slope, my friend.

No, I wouldn't smoke with little kids in the car but frankly that's the last thing I want the police to focus on. I think as a society we have bigger concerns than to burden our enforcement mechanism with draconian laws that are supposed to "protect" people from legal behavior that very likely hurts no one but the person involved.

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Regards - B.B.S.
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All I have to say on the philosophy of this social political situation can be summed up in three quotes from John Locke.

1-- “The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom."
2-- "Government has no other end, but the preservation of property.”
3-- “Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has a right to, but himself.”

Make your own choices and be responsible for the consequences. Some choices preclude others.
 
OpusXKC said:
All I have to say on the philosophy of this social political situation can be summed up in three quotes from John Locke.

1-- “The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom."
2-- "Government has no other end, but the preservation of property.”
3-- “Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has a right to, but himself.”

Make your own choices and be responsible for the consequences. Some choices preclude others.
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Unfortunately this mindset has all but been eliminated from most of Western culture (and likely most others, as well, but I don't have any personal experience with those cultures). The movement to alleviate one from liberty began many years ago and has sunk it's teeth deeply into the fabric of our lives. The people responsible for this type of nonsense are completely focused on bringing about a different United States than that which has flourished for the last 200+ years. They are fully entrenched in this task while most of the rest of the population is not paying any attention. Complacency will one day come back to haunt us all, but by then it will be too late. It seems that the only people willing to fight are those that want to force their way of thinking and way of life onto others in an effort to "make a difference."

I'm not talking about some sort of "conspiracy" or other such nonsense. I'm talking about the way our culture has shaped itself over the last few generations. It has happened slowly and incrementally. One day we're all going to wake up and say "What the heck has happened?" Some days, I already do so.
 
KeithS said:
Some places have already banned smoking in your car. I think it applies if minor children are present.
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Banned in Jersey and doesn't require children to be present, they were trying to enforce littering laws by banning smoking in your car.

I seriously think business owners from each state need to class action suit each state in regards to smoking bans.
 
BTW - What's the penalty for breaking the smoking ban law? $25 like in an elevator? And that's if you're caught :)
 
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