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Update on the status of Cuba from the Miami Herald

IanHummel

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Found this on Club Stogie. It's a shame things are only getting worse.

http://www.miamiherald.com/851/story/373566.html

CUBA
Why tourism is no longer promoted
Posted on Thu, Jan. 10, 2008
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By BILL PERRY
drbillperry@comcast.net

I decided after my last trip two years ago that I wouldn't be going to Cuba again in the near future. It was just too depressing -- nothing works, everything is falling apart, and the agony of the Cuban people and their day-to-day living are hard to tolerate on a constant basis. That and Fidel Castro's new anti-tourism efforts, such as charging people 20 percent of the money they bring into Cuba, made that decision easy.

So why did I go back in December? I have some very dear friends in Havana whom I missed. That and the fact that once Cuba gets under your skin, there is always a pull to go back. This time, unfortunately, despite things rather than because of them.

The situation has deteriorated and continues to do so. People are more angry, depressed and desperate than ever. During the ''Special Period,'' when the Soviet Union left Castro high and dry, people had money but there was nothing to buy with it. Nada. Not even food. One day, or so it seemed, all the cats in Havana disappeared. Now, it's the inverse: There are lots of things, but no money with which to buy them. If you think about this for a minute, it is easy to see how this is even worse. The people are tormented on a daily basis -- seeing things, food and clothing that they cannot buy.

Why is it worse? It's the decline in tourism and tourist dollars, much of which went directly into the hands of the Cuban people. With newfound oil reserves, Hugo Chávez and China, the government of Cuba no longer needs tourism, which it always accepted reluctantly anyway. Now tourism is actively discouraged. I mentioned the 20 percent fee on money. In addition, police are cracking down heavily on Cubans associating with foreigners. Cuban women being seen with tourists, no questions asked, are being put away for two to six years.

Yes, I said years. In the past, I couldn't walk 10 feet without someone wanting to strike up a conversation with me (for better or worse), and this time no one would approach me, nor would people respond if I tried to talk to them. I just got a look that seemed to say ''I'd really love to, but I just can't!'' It was so different, and for the first time in my 12 visits to Cuba, I felt lonely there.

Why doesn't Cuba want tourism? Because the last thing Castro wants is foreigners coming in and giving ''dangerous'' ideas to Cubans -- ideas like freedom, that sort of thing.

Meanwhile, the infrastructure is crumbling fast. I didn't see any construction work on the decaying buildings and roads. I saw a lot of cosmetic work being done on tourist hotels, though, and the tourist section of Old Havana.

Do you want to know the truth about the Cuban medical system? It's abysmal, unless of course you are a foreigner seeking treatment in Cuba (or Michael Moore). People are desperate for medications. Doctors refuse to see them without being bribed. If you want an ambulance, you better be prepared to bribe the drivers.

The people's goodness

No money? Tough luck.

Sick? Go wait six hours at a clinic and get a prescription for something that you could never fill, even if you had the money. All this while foreigners get superb medical care and get to walk wherever they want and stay in hotels built by people who aren't allowed near them.

Because of abject (and appropriate) fear of the police, I couldn't go anywhere with my Cuban friends. The only places we could be together were secretly in their homes, like rats hiding in a basement.

Despite the above, the trip was enjoyable and meaningful for me, thanks to the goodness of the Cuban people. I finally understood the hatred that most Cubans feel toward Castro. I understood it because I now feel it myself. And I won't be going back anytime in the near future. But I guess I said that before, didn't I?

Bill Perry is a psychologist in San Francisco.
 
Just a month or two ago, I saw a show on PBS that portrayed Cuba as one of the world's top 'cultural' destinations. The reason it is so is because they don't have hotels lining every inch of their beaches. They don't have hundreds of ships docking at their shores. They don't have ten thousands of Americans tromping their streets in search of slushy rum drinks, t-shirts and cheap jewelry. Now, you can argue all day that this doesn't help Cuba's economy whatsoever, but if you're in search of some authentic culture...

BTW, you will find depressed conditions and things falling apart in each and every third world country you visit. Nothing unique there.
 
Weird, never got charged this 20% money thing, neither none of my friend or family members and my cousin is there presently, a coworker went last week, a friend went in dec, and my inlaws went during the holidays. First time I hear of it

anyone else?
 
Weird, never got charged this 20% money thing, neither none of my friend or family members and my cousin is there presently, a coworker went last week, a friend went in dec, and my inlaws went during the holidays. First time I hear of it

anyone else?


The 20% is referring to US$ exchanged for CUC.
 
I think that an article like that is one man's opinion.

While I've never been to Havana, here's my opinion judging from what I've seen in Santiago, Santa Lucia and Holguin, and areas surrounding all 3:

That, for the most part, is one seriously full of shit shrink.
 
Never, never, never believe anything from the Miami Herald.
They have a crew of staff writers who crank out this stuff all the time. It's 100% invented crap.
Almost every point in the recent blurb is incorrect, as usual.

The proof?

Go there and see.

Commander Bob
Regularly goes there and sees.
 
Never, never, never believe anything from the Miami Herald.
They have a crew of staff writers who crank out this stuff all the time. It's 100% invented crap.
Almost every point in the recent blurb is incorrect, as usual.

The proof?

Go there and see.

Commander Bob
Regularly goes there and sees.

Since most of us who read this can't go there and see, and because you "regularly go there and see," what is it really like?
 
I enjoyed reading your assement. It sounds sad and depressing. :angry:
 
It's good to hear that most of this is rubbish then. I doubt I'll ever be able to see what it's really like, but it's nice to know that a country with so much culture and heritage isn't changing for the worse like this.
 
The propaganda machine in Miami is almost as bad as that in Cuba itself.

Of course, they can say ANYTHING they want about Castro's Cuba! They could tell you that Fidel and higher party members regularly sweep the streets in search of babies to eat, that every Cuban lives in a dog house and only eats sawdust for food...and they can say it all because practically no American can go to Cuba and see they're full of sh*t. And most of those that can go to Cuba are exiles on visas to see family and they hate Castro so much that they don't mind any lies being told about him...hell, most of them are the ones that make them up!

I don't trust either Cuba itself or the US (especially the Miami community) when they talk about Castro, because both have their own agenda to serve. I think there's a little more credence in what Canadians or Europeans have to say, as they're mostly neutral when it comes to the communist gov. in Cuba. But I don't think we'll ever get a completely accurate, unbiased view of what Castro's Cuba is like until he's long dead and the Communist Party of Cuba is long gone.
 
Since most of us who read this can't go there and see, and because you "regularly go there and see," what is it really like?

It's pretty poor compared to upper-class areas of North America and Europe but I don't see the dozens of homeless folk on the streets that I see here at home and I don't see the crime and violence of our own cities. Yes, things are tough in Cuba.
It's difficult to refute professionally written pieces such as the ones the Herald publishes without doing the he-said /he said on every item. That would take a book. :sign:
Take the title for example -"Why tourism is no longer promoted".
Tourism IS promoted. It's a major source of revenue. More hotels and resorts opening every year. Not long ago they were cheering the "1 millionth visitor" and when I was in Havana in December 2006 folks were happily telling me about the Canadian who became the "two millionth visitor" that year so far.

What about this "charging people 20 percent of the money they bring into Cuba"? Simply NOT true.
You can check the exchange rate online but at the moment, my Canuck Loonies are trading at about 9% exchange, and that's better than I got for USD up to a few months ago. If you are packing Euros, you will get about $135CUC for 100 Euros and that's not bad either.
Of course -there is a 10% penalty for using US dollars. That's kinda to be expected, given the embargo and all but since there are no longer many US citizens traveling to Cuba, it's not a problem for folks from other countries.

The business of "Cuban women being seen with tourists, no questions asked, are being put away for two to six years" is a joke.
Just a joke. I'm not into "sex tourism" (I go for the cigars!!!) but "social activity" is alive and well. So alive that there are indeed quite a few restrictions on where Cubans and tourists may mingle but not the scare-tactic statements made in the Herald. Huddling in basements indeed! :rolleyes:

One could go on and on but the simple point is that some groups have a anti-Cuba stance and the Miami Herald is one of them.

The reality of the poverty in Cuba is no more disturbing than the reality of poverty anywhere, except that it is more evenly applied.
I can't defend Fidel or the Cuban government. I think they have let their people down dreadfully.
The poverty in Cuba is not due to the US embargo -almost every other country trades with them- and not due to preventing tourism -millions visit every year- or due to some nefarious hold that the military has on the population. The poverty is due to a failed socialist experiment that the majority of the population has yet to put a stop to. The minority has voted with their feet and left. In a country that speaks constantly of "The Revolution!" don't you think that they would have risen up and thrown out Fidel and Raul if they were not still convinced that they could still do better without resorting to violent conflict?

Meanwhile, do like that "psychologist in San Francisco" and take a little visit to that Island South of Miami. Then we can DISCUSS the situation rather than just agree/disagree with what someone else tells us.
But do it soon. When the embargo ends, all the prices will triple. :rolleyes:

Commander Bob
With purely selfish reasons for visiting the Home of Habanos
 
CBob,

Thank you for that frank and personal perspective on Cuba. As an American, I'm pretty much forbidden to go so the only way I can learn about this mysterious land is through accounts and analyses such as yours.

Wilkey
 
compared to the upper class areas of north america/europe...

ok, how would you say it relates to regular every day blue collar(majority) areas of north america/europe, or better yet to any other third world nation?

i'm really curious, as being from souther california I get quite the mix of classes and cultures, as well as traveling to mexico(baja) a few times a year I get a huge mix of soceity's.

for work I drive, I drive alot and cover almost all of southern CA. not a 30 min. drive takes me from coto de caza(real OC housewifes barf) to fontana where damn near every corner has a bum with a hand out.
 
Hey cbob, I have to second to thank you for the information on Cuba. Very interesting reads :thumbs:


David
 
CBob,

Thank you for that frank and personal perspective on Cuba. As an American, I'm pretty much forbidden to go so the only way I can learn about this mysterious land is through accounts and analyses such as yours.

Wilkey

Took the words right out of my mouth Wilkey.

Thanks Cpt Bob!

~Mark
 
CBob,

Thank you for that frank and personal perspective on Cuba. As an American, I'm pretty much forbidden to go so the only way I can learn about this mysterious land is through accounts and analyses such as yours.

Wilkey


Wilkey, I also agree, as for the economy of Cuba, Michigan is losing 20,000 jobs a year. With those jobs go people and money.
 
Wilkey, I also agree, as for the economy of Cuba, Michigan is losing 20,000 jobs a year. With those jobs go people and money.

Yup, things are not improving here. Perhaps, like Cubans, we will end up only getting to watch the rest of the world smoking the good cigars.

Cheers,
antaean
 
Wilkey, I also agree, as for the economy of Cuba, Michigan is losing 20,000 jobs a year. With those jobs go people and money.

Yup, things are not improving here. Perhaps, like Cubans, we will end up only getting to watch the rest of the world smoking the good cigars.

Cheers,
antaean

Not to mention the decreasing amount of places where smoking a cigar is still allowed :angry:


:cool:
 
commander bob-

i enjoy reading your posts, personal and insightful opinions. however i'll have to submit my .02. i agree with your basic premise regarding the article. as a former resident of miami and daily reader of the MH, its obvious that editorial bias anti-castro/pro-embargo exist. they are quite unashamed about it.
we differ on the tone of the article. i wont argue the point-by-point argument given by the writer, because i cant back up those arguments with quantifiable facts, but he got it right, i believe that broad tourism is diminishing as a source of income, it is not an easy place to be a tourist. im not sure if less tourists are going, because the accomodations are substandard, or vice versa. there isnt a real 5 star hotel on the island. the hotels that claim to be 4 star are 3 star. most tourist restaurants have small or compromised menus. its creepy for a gringo to walk down the malecon at night, not necessarily dangerous, just creepy. i dont mind the drag queens, its the dudes trying to rent their duaghters, wifes, sisters, mothers that turns me off.
being forced to sit in the "tourist" section of the estadio latino america to watch baseball is not the end of the world, but a disappointment to baseball fan who wants to walk around the stadium. although it is great that they list the dimensions to centerfield at near 420. in reality, i think the entire field could fit into the outfield at tiger stadium in detroit.
the poverty is different. ive been to other cities in 3rd world countries in LA and elsewhere and they are not the same as havana. you can buy an expensive rum drink anywhere in the caribean, but you dont find teachers working as cab drivers and tour guides at night or doctors working as prostitues in too many other places in the world, except maybe in parts of the former soviet union.
the castles on the coast are attractive, but the profile of the city is often grey with smoke/smog/sewage being burnt off.
the anti-american rhetoric on the billboards is just funny.
yes, the cuban people are special. yes, they have a love of life and job-like patience.

i go back because i love cigars. when i travel in from the airport, i try to avoid thinking that the "industry" isnt helping perpetuate a real shitty situation.

fwiw.

cheers
drew p
 
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