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I think it is a bad idea!!
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camaroon4me
"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-Tip!&quo
Really not a good move.
As a newb in a pass, I got my peepee spanked by a few FOG's that were not involved in the pass, but heck, I'm the better for it
It's for the good of the whole pass system to have input from the sidelines. Maybe we just all have to grow up and keep our comments from causing flame wars?
Please Rod, reconsider this rule, and also the edit button, my spelling really sucks! :laugh:
As a newb in a pass, I got my peepee spanked by a few FOG's that were not involved in the pass, but heck, I'm the better for it
It's for the good of the whole pass system to have input from the sidelines. Maybe we just all have to grow up and keep our comments from causing flame wars?
Please Rod, reconsider this rule, and also the edit button, my spelling really sucks! :laugh:
Rules can be ammended. I haven't yet uploaded the new rules. Due to the high amount of members who oppose this new rule, I will NOT add it to the rules.
I do ask that you all communicate in a more professional manner.
I do ask that you all communicate in a more professional manner.
I have not yet created any new rules "officially". If I do in the future, we will vote on them as a community.
Fair?
Fair?
camaroon4me
"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-Tip!&quo
Thanks Rod, you have always been more than fair and continue to be level minded.
I myself promise to try to play nice. :blush:
JV
I myself promise to try to play nice. :blush:
JV
To be honest I don't like the way this has ended either. But the real problem is flamewars...and the fact that some poeple like to perpetuate them, and some people cant stand the drama.
Is the answer to not allow people that aren't in the pass to post there. Well its a bandaid at best...the same people will go to other threads and do the same thing. This isn't about me, CC, or the multitudes that have come before or will come after. This is about what kind of place we, as members, want this to be...do you want constant flamewars that spiral out of control? Do you want this to be about personalities or cigars?
If someone does something wrong I think the best way to handle it is to PM that person and share your thoughts rather than call them out in public over it, but perhaps that needs to be done also in some cases. The problem is, and i believe this with all my heart, there are people here that actually want these wars to start, and escalate. They like to eat popcorn while doing it. Hey that's great...I like it too sometimes...lol. But we all know when stuff crosses the line...at some point you have to just move on.
I think what Rod is saying is that he doesn't want those people here. Frankly I don't either...I just want a place where I can go and talk about cigars and have fun trading and such. A place where my contribution is appreciated, and useful to others.
I think this is a good thread to discuss what it is we want, and I'm hoping that we can leave the finger pointing out of it. In the end it's gonna be Rod's decision. but I think that we all have input, and I think we can be adult and share it in a constructive way to make this a better experience for everyone.
barney
Is the answer to not allow people that aren't in the pass to post there. Well its a bandaid at best...the same people will go to other threads and do the same thing. This isn't about me, CC, or the multitudes that have come before or will come after. This is about what kind of place we, as members, want this to be...do you want constant flamewars that spiral out of control? Do you want this to be about personalities or cigars?
If someone does something wrong I think the best way to handle it is to PM that person and share your thoughts rather than call them out in public over it, but perhaps that needs to be done also in some cases. The problem is, and i believe this with all my heart, there are people here that actually want these wars to start, and escalate. They like to eat popcorn while doing it. Hey that's great...I like it too sometimes...lol. But we all know when stuff crosses the line...at some point you have to just move on.
I think what Rod is saying is that he doesn't want those people here. Frankly I don't either...I just want a place where I can go and talk about cigars and have fun trading and such. A place where my contribution is appreciated, and useful to others.
I think this is a good thread to discuss what it is we want, and I'm hoping that we can leave the finger pointing out of it. In the end it's gonna be Rod's decision. but I think that we all have input, and I think we can be adult and share it in a constructive way to make this a better experience for everyone.
barney
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
cvmfour said:
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Now wait a minute Cliff, this was your first post on the proposed rule change:
Now that Rod has changed his mind you say:
In the political world we call that a "flip-flop" and it generally is a BAD way to operate.
So do you agree with the new rule or agree with the fact that there is now no new rule?
Please do tell
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
Rod said:
I guess but ultimately it's YOUR decision Rod and you can do anything you want. You decided to pull the "News and Politics" forum without a vote and if you want to institute new rules or change existing rules that's totally your call.
Bottom line is if people don't like what you do, they can leave.........
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
servebig said:
Great Barney, then practice what you preach with respect to "flaming" 'cause I can find MANY MANY examples of you flaming people here. Does this mean you don't want yourself here either?
camaroon4me
"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-Tip!&quo
I think there should be a rule against posting more than one post in a row. If someone posts and then has more to add, they should wait until someone else posts first! :whistling:
Ok, your turn Bill, then CVM next, then Bill, then Servebig, then Bill,etc....... :sign:
Ok, your turn Bill, then CVM next, then Bill, then Servebig, then Bill,etc.......
:sign:
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
camaroon4me said:I think there should be a rule against posting more than one post in a row. If someone posts and then has more to add, they should wait until someone else posts first! :whistling:
Ok, your turn Bill, then CVM next, then Bill, then Servebig, then Bill,etc.......
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LMAO, I don't because my last three posts are responses to:
Cliff
Rod
Barney
in that order
Okay my turn! :laugh:
Bill I quit "thinking too much" and I am just going with the flow Isn't that what you wanted? There's a good and a bad side to the rule proposed. And as you can see, I highlighted both the good and the bad in my post. You shouldn't take a post out of context next time. I still think that commenting on P/T by people outside of the pass is good, and when someone highjacks a thread is not good.
Bill I quit "thinking too much" and I am just going with the flow
Isn't that what you wanted? There's a good and a bad side to the rule proposed. And as you can see, I highlighted both the good and the bad in my post. You shouldn't take a post out of context next time. I still think that commenting on P/T by people outside of the pass is good, and when someone highjacks a thread is not good. cvmfour said:
coventrycat86 said:
hey, i'll be the first to admit that i haven't handled things the way i should have...i'm not perfect. but i think that going forward i'm going to learn from my mistakes rather than compound them.
The important thing is that as a group we decide where we want to go FROM HERE.
i just think that when stuff gets really crazy between 2 people, and then 4, and then 6...the original 2 should just get together and work it out. I know that sometimes this is just wishful thinking..The other alternative is that Rod can just tell people to go work out their differences and kick them off the board for a period of time.
I also think that the piling on of others to either side just causes more animosity...rather than do that, just PM the person that you know the best and suggest they work it out in private. Unless of course you enjoy the feeding frenzy...
Barney
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Kudos to Rod. :thumbs: As long as people can conduct themselves as adults there should be no problem. Rod knows when to step in. I think he has shown great restraint in the dramas played out recently.
servebig said:
First and formost is the fact that this is Rods site and what he says goes. He has the right to make any rules he wants and any rules he makes is fine by me, I respect his right to have any rules he wants to. If he lets us have our input into things then thats just Rod being a nice guy.
You should also know Rod that your efforts in creating and maintaining this site for us are very much appreciated.
As for Barney, you can make claims as to what the problems are here or there, this and that, and everything in the world except for you, but that actually is the only root problem here, You. Other passes may have bickering and disagreements and such, but no pass I can remember has ever drawn the kind of response your pass has. It has had changes mid stream, things in it nobody remembers being there when they joined, you openly mooching for sticks, organizing things in your own best interests, and basically making a big joke of the principles that a good brotherly pass are founded upon. If people are all bent out of shape over your pass or you in particular then it must be because they, I, feel that you are one of the root things wrong around here compared to days past when our community was more enjoyable. Thats the root of all of this latest issue and no change in the rules is going to change any of that. Perhaps let you get away with your scams for longer, but not actually change anything.
Barney-I'll admit that I wasn't the most diplomatic in expressing my views about your pass and the whole thing with Bill. This isn't about the penalty stick fiasco, the pass being sent back and forth across the country, nor is it about it somehow getting lost, though all those things show something systemic with the pass itself. The line you typed above is something that has a large role in it. Do you or do you not owe Bill wine? I've had PM's to him returned as well, but I've known plenty more that have made it through to him. You most likely will have Bill off your back if you would somehow make this up to him as you may have promised. Bill was content to leave your pass and let things be, but evidently the earlier promise and the problems in your pass have given him(and some others) a bad enough feeling that they feel compelled to air grievances in your pass. Take it for what it's worth, make it up to Bill and let's all move on.
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
I disagree with the "working it out in private" mentality. If someone makes bad P/T's in a pass or sponsors a contest or a giveaway or what ever or does a poor job handling a pass (and no Barney I ain't just mentioning these specifics 'cause of you so please don't be offended, that's not my intent ) then I feel very strongly that it should be discussed in public rather that whispered behind the scenes. This can and has been done MANY MANY times without flaming. Now just because someone got their panties in a wad and felt a little embarrassed may be unfortunate but hey, that's life, grow some skin and toughen up.
I'll admit that my opinion on this probably has to do with my public sector activities as a public/government employee and as one who has served on a local board and commission and one who feels an injustice is done when people in the public sector break laws such as Freedom of Information Act guidelines.
Now granted, I fully realize that this BB is NOT subject to FOI guidelines and similar State or Federal statutes or codes but I think it's better if it operates in a similar manner, that being that most discussions be in the public eye rather than "behind the scenes"
It really is a better way to handle things, ya got something to say, post it don't whisper it
) then I feel very strongly that it should be discussed in public rather that whispered behind the scenes. This can and has been done MANY MANY times without flaming. Now just because someone got their panties in a wad and felt a little embarrassed may be unfortunate but hey, that's life, grow some skin and toughen up.I'll admit that my opinion on this probably has to do with my public sector activities as a public/government employee and as one who has served on a local board and commission and one who feels an injustice is done when people in the public sector break laws such as Freedom of Information Act guidelines.
Now granted, I fully realize that this BB is NOT subject to FOI guidelines and similar State or Federal statutes or codes but I think it's better if it operates in a similar manner, that being that most discussions be in the public eye rather than "behind the scenes"
It really is a better way to handle things, ya got something to say, post it don't whisper it
KayakinBoy
I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
I really hate to be rude, sorry to all who get misty eyed, but this is ROD'S site. What he says goes. I believe someone *cough CC cough* has already pointed this out. And if you don't like, pack up and leave, but I'm sticking it out threw the good and bad.