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Cuban Smooban

Just to add my 2 cents.

Lets start with taste. Everyones taste is different. Thats why they make a gazillion kinds of cigars. As it was said, some people like red apple (yuk!), others like green apples (yum! ;)) thats all subject to individual taste. :)

I personally agree that Cuban tobacco is better and more flavorful than non-cuban tobacco. I personally don't like DR tobacco for the most part, some are "ok", most are crap (to me).... I prefer Cuban, but also smoke stuff from Nicaragua and Honduras.

To each his own- Thats what I say. I don't think I've ever had a completely crappy cuban cigar? I've had some that didn't impress me- but I don't think I've ever had one that was terrible or unsmokable? (see THIS THREAD and vote on your worste cubans if any)

Personally, I'm at the point where I wont buy boxes of anything unless its cuban. Why? Because I personally enjoy cuban cigars more, and in most cases they are better and cheaper than domestic cigars- Why spend more and get less?

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To argue that Cuban cigars are better than NC is pointless. Each person's flavor profile is different. The saying goes, "To each his/her own".

Based on what I've read on the different cigar boards, I see that there are many more cigar smokers that have found Cuban cigars to taste better than Non-Cubans. How many times have you read the words "Welcome to the darkside"? There is a small minority that don't like the taste of cuban cigars. IMO, they are either smoking fakes or poorly stored ones. Like Craig(Lucasbuck), I never believed in the hype of Cuban cigars until I smoked my first real Monte #2 and CoRo. Prior to that, I've smoked many fakes and was lead to believe that Cuban cigars are no better than Non-Cubans. Boy was I wrong!!!

I see nothing wrong with smoking only Cuban cigars. I do enjoy an opus on occasion but most of the time smoke ISOM's.

One day, you will smoke a Cuban cigar that will knock you in your a$$. Then you will be TOAST!!!! ;)
 
moki said:
whether he'd want to be seen buying Fuente products in public! ;)
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Funny.... couldn't be more off on my personality, but funny nonetheless.
 
I was going to stay clear of this one, because i tend to get myself in trouble when I chime in. But I have to say something, or should I say RE-iterate something...

SMOKE WHAT YOU LIKE, LIKE WHAT YOU SMOKE

There is nothing at all in there that says you should question anyone elses desire to do the same thing.

This argument is not only pointless, it borders on Pure Idiocy! :angry:

If I like Lone Wolfs, I will Smoke Lone Wolfs, if I had decided that I ONLY like Lone Wolfs, then that is what I will smoke. If somebody were to say "I don't get this thinking, Lone Wolf Schmone Wolf, I never liked em" I would assume that person WANTED a fight, and the old me would tear into them. The NEW me would Ignore the Idiot and move on with my life.

If you do not like Cuban, I will not say you are wrong, afterall it is your taste. If I LIKE Cuban, even if i ONLY smoke Cuban, I will expect that you will respect my tastes and NOT say "Cuban Smooban, don't believe the hype!" because to do that would be a little on the Anti-Social side. But, as with tastes, this is just MHO ???
 
I seem to have really touched a nerve with this whole Cuban Smooban thing.

Sorry.

I'll try to keep my questions less loaded in the future.

I do agree with many of the posters that have obviously been around here a lot. There are great Cubans and crappy Cubans. There are great Hondurans and crappy Hondurans, etc.

It's a personal decision what you like and what you want to smoke. If you enjoy what you smoke NO ONE (myself included) should try to make you change.

I reallly was just trying to see if I was missing something, cause the limited number of Cubans I've smoked haven't blown me away. I've smoked some great Cubans that if they weren't illegal and weren't so darned expensive would make more regular appearances in my humidor. I've also smoked great non-Cubans that i've bought legally and at far lower prices. Those are the cigars I choose to smoke.

I don't ONLY wear Nike sneakers. I don't ONLY drive Ford cars, I don't only drink Coca-Cola brand soda. Personally, I consume what best meets my tastes and my budget. Can't blame me for that, and I can't blame others for their likes / dislikes.

Make sense?

Like we used to say in the Navy...

Smoke 'em if you got 'em,
Gus
 
Gus, personally, no offense taken. You posted what hundreds of other people new(er) to the forums have posted in the past. Everyone has their own opinion and should be respected for that. This debate just opens the door to people who assume they know more than others or who's opinion is worth more than others. I sometimes fall into that category myself. :) The one thing I feel I need to point out to you though is that the price part of your statements may hold water if you're purchasing your Havanas in Canada and your domestics in the US. But, that is like comparing apples to oranges because of the tax structure. I have established relationships with vendors over the years and I personally pay less, or the same, for what I regard as equivalent cigars, i.e. Havanas vs. non-Havanas. The legality part, well, that may come into some newer, stateside Havana smokers, but for the most part, that doesn't factor into the views of a person who has been smoking Havanas for a considerable amount of time. Enjoy the forums here and don't feel like you need to apologize to anyone for this posting.
 
SMOKOZUNA said:
To argue that Cuban cigars are better than NC is pointless. Each person's flavor profile is different. The saying goes, "To each his/her own".

[snip]

I see nothing wrong with smoking only Cuban cigars. I do enjoy an opus on occasion but most of the time smoke ISOM's.
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Well, you make part of my point really. Each person's flavor profile is different, and so are the flavor profiles of Cuban cigars. It makes zero sense, IMHO, to speak of "Cubans" as a monolithic entity. You can't possibly like all Cubans; they have a varied line, from dog-rocket to premium excellents.

If someone says "Do you like Cubans?" you'd really have to reply "Which brand or cigar?" to give an honest answer. I promise you I can get you some Cubans that will disgust you. ;)

I know people disagree with me, but I still say that smoking only Cuban cigars is limiting yourself unnecessarily -- but if you've found a particular brand/line of Cubans you really like, sure, by all means smoke 'em to exclusion.

If someone hands you a nice non-Cuban cigar, and you turn it down because you "only smoke Cubans"... well, that's a bit silly, IMHO.

Then again, I think many wines from Napa are better than the vast majority of French wines as well.
 
moki said:
You can't possibly like all Cubans; they have a varied line, from dog-rocket to premium excellents.

I can't? Why not??

If someone says "Do you like Cubans?" you'd really have to reply "Which brand or cigar?" to give an honest answer. I promise you I can get you some Cubans that will disgust you. ;)

No, I can say, yes, I do like Cubans. Because, that is a general question that implys a general answer. Thus, if I like Cohibas, I indeed do like Cubans.

smoking only Cuban cigars is limiting yourself unnecessarily

That is your opinion. Why does it have to be everyone's opinion?

If someone hands you a nice non-Cuban cigar, and you turn it down because you "only smoke Cubans"... well, that's a bit silly, IMHO.

Not silly at all. If I offered you a cheeseburger from Wendy's and you said no thanks, I prefer a hamburger from McDonald's, would that be silly? At least the person is being honest in not wanting to accept something that they have a pretty good idea they will not enjoy.

Then again, I think many wines from Napa are better than the vast majority of French wines as well.

Finally, something we agree on
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Moki, don't get me wrong, but do you realize how condescending you come off when you post these things??
 
Matt R said:
Moki, don't get me wrong, but do you realize how condescending you come off when you post these things??
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Apologies, didn't mean to come off that way at all.

smoking only Cuban cigars is limiting yourself unnecessarily

That is your opinion. Why does it have to be everyone's opinion?
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Well, you can argue that it isn't "unnecessarily" limiting, but it certainly is by definition limiting. ;)

Not silly at all. If I offered you a cheeseburger from Wendy's and you said no thanks, I prefer a hamburger from McDonald's, would that be silly?
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Certainly not. But if both McDonalds and Wendy's produced a wide range of hamburgers with a wide range of tastes -- many of which you've never had before -- it would be silly to say you only eat hamburgers from Wendy's, when they are all very different in taste (some you like, some you don't), and you haven't tried many of the burgers that McDonalds offers.

I hear what you're trying to say; I just don't think the analogy holds up well.
 
If I may add something.....it is only my humble comments about this topic.

In addition....to the mystique about ISOM's.....it is my taste buds tell me most of them have a distinct flavor that is yet to be duplicated outside the island. It is true some of the highly touted sticks from the island are not consistent and not particularly good taken on a cigar by cigar basis. Fore instance one of the worst cigars I ever had was a Boli Churchill...Horrible burn, almost no draw resulting in one of the worst experiences ever. Partly, I'm sure because the expectation (as a result of the mystique) was significantly higher.

In general I tend to place some emphasis on the "born on date" (appologies to AB). This pretty much distinguishes ISOM cigars from others. Batch tracking works for several reasons. I think the top two are, input from others who have had a particular vintage and tracking the aging process in the humidor. I have not been so lucky as to have an entire box of OPUS X, for instance, so unless I label each cigar as to what vintage, no luck in tracking. I'm not even sure if OPUS has dates on the box. For instance the Opus that made it to the shop this past Novemeber were particularly good. I put them in with the rest of the cigars and unfortunatley I think I smoked them all without letting them age.

Since cigars are agricultural products made by hand there will be variances between vintages. Wine is similar. Vintages mean something.

If I can also make one comment on the postings on this subject, I would say that the discussion was amicable. Other boards would have flamed out by now. I appreciate and respect the members of this forum.
 
golfgar said:
I have not been so lucky as to have an entire box of OPUS X, for instance, so unless I label each cigar as to what vintage, no luck in tracking. I'm not even sure if OPUS has dates on the box. For instance the Opus that made it to the shop this past Novemeber were particularly good. I put them in with the rest of the cigars and unfortunatley I think I smoked them all without letting them age.
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Unfortunately, you're right, AF does not date the Opus X boxes they make. I wish they, and every other cigar manufacturer, would do that. Sure, they age their cigars, so the "born on" date isn't as relevant, but it still would be useful.
 
Matt R said:
Have you ever smoked a whole box of anything??
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Hmm...

Pishaw, that'll be the day that I can pass on and say it'd been a full life! Probably never happen to me..

Guess that means I'm out of this one!!! :D
 
Matt R said:
I like gala apples the best...
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But, do you like all Gala apples? :p

I LOVE all Fuji apples. Sweet, juicy, big, pink, perfect Fuji Apples.
 
Wow, take a few days off and I need to have my stupid meter checked! :(

WTF! To each his own! Get a freakin' grip! ???
 
moki said:
But if both McDonalds and Wendy's produced a wide range of hamburgers with a wide range of tastes -- many of which you've never had before -- it would be silly to say you only eat hamburgers from Wendy's, when they are all very different in taste (some you like, some you don't), and you haven't tried many of the burgers that McDonalds offers.
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The last time I was at Wendy's they had several different hamburgers. So, did McDonalds. :)
 
Matt R said:
moki said:
But if both McDonalds and Wendy's produced a wide range of hamburgers with a wide range of tastes -- many of which you've never had before -- it would be silly to say you only eat hamburgers from Wendy's, when they are all very different in taste (some you like, some you don't), and you haven't tried many of the burgers that McDonalds offers.
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The last time I was at Wendy's they had several different hamburgers. So, did McDonalds. :)
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ya know, am a Wendy's guy m'self.

like the flame-thing at Burger King too though.

:thumbs:
 
Matt R said:
The last time I was at Wendy's they had several different hamburgers. So, did McDonalds. :)
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With radically different tastes? I don't think so -- last one I was in, the burgers were all the same, just the garnish was different. Or maybe I'm going to the wrong Wendy's. ;)
 
Y'all need to open the first burger smoking bar in Havana when you get the chance.

Just to add fuel to the fire, if Habanos need a few years to age doesn't that imply they are not as good out of the box as premium domestics that (for the most part) are ready to smoke shortly after purchase? Or is the premise that they are better to start with and open the gap wider with age? Just wondering what your thinking is.
 
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