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***In this post: a collective and subjective list of cuban cigars that smoke well young or with age ***
please feel free to contribute to this thread if you have experience w/ ISOMs, your contributions/opinions are greatly appreciated
... you can also view my CC experiences (quick notes) as I try them @ post #31
I've got some monty no. 3's that have been aging for about a year, and probably need a couple more. What cubans are good fresh out of the box?
I think Esplendidos are pretty good out of the box, but definitely get better with age. What else...
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Opinions and lists consolidated as much as possible, I'm still figuring out all of these abbreviations... haha (Don't be offended if your quote didn't make it in there, it probably got deleted by accident... it was mayhem putting this list of greatness together.
Smoke Well With Age:
Cohiba especials
Ramon Allones x2
Partagas
El Rey del Mundo
Por Larrañaga
H. Upmann
05 Epi 2's (Hoyo De Monterrey Epicure No. 2)
RAG from 2005 and back.
PSD4- I'll usually smoke the first half of the box and throw the rest into storage because with just a couple of years of age, it truly becomes an incredible smoke.
Young
Romeo Y Julieta Escudo EL 2007
Hoyo De Monterrey Regalos EL 2007
Trinidad Ingenios EL 2007
Bolivar Petit Belicosos EL 2009
Party Shorts - Partaga's
BGM x4
Hoyo epicure no. 2's
Hoyo De Monterrey's
Cohiba robustos
VR
Punch
RyJ
Bolivar RC's (Although I find it best to dry box for a day before smoking one).
BFB (Bolivar Belicosos Finos) x2
Bolivars (some)
Montes
Montecristo No. 2
Monte PE (Petite Edmundos) x2 with little age.
Trinidad
PSP2 (Partagas Serie P. No. 2), smoke great young
PSD4 (Partagas Serie D. No. 4) x3
ERDM CS x3 (El Rey del Mundo Choix Supreme)
VR Famoso x2
RASCC (RASS) (Ramon Allones Specially Selected (In Cab)) x6
RAG (Ramon Allones Gigantes)
RYJ Short Churchill's
Punch DC (Double Coronas)
H. Uppman magnums 46 x2
JL #2s x2 (Specifically 07's)
Por Larranaga PC (Petite Coronas) they are great smokes now
CM5 x2 (Cohiba - Maduro 5 line), the Secretos in particular but the Genios and Magicos are also good for my taste
Cohiba Siglo IV
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please feel free to contribute to this thread if you have experience w/ ISOMs, your contributions/opinions are greatly appreciated
... you can also view my CC experiences (quick notes) as I try them @ post #31
I've got some monty no. 3's that have been aging for about a year, and probably need a couple more. What cubans are good fresh out of the box?
I think Esplendidos are pretty good out of the box, but definitely get better with age. What else...
Couldn't get any hits on the search for this one.
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Opinions and lists consolidated as much as possible, I'm still figuring out all of these abbreviations... haha (Don't be offended if your quote didn't make it in there, it probably got deleted by accident... it was mayhem putting this list of greatness together.
Sometime in late '05/early '06, Cuba started introducing aged fillers into their cigars. I can't remember if it was just the filler and not the binder or for how long it was aged, but it has helped immensely in making fresh cigars smokable sooner rather than later. I haven't had any cigars that I can think that have been "sick" when fresh in the last couple of years. The cigars still might be wet, however, and this can still make them horrible. This has been the case with a lot of the regional releases...
Smoke Well With Age:
Cohiba especials
Ramon Allones x2
Partagas
El Rey del Mundo
Por Larrañaga
H. Upmann
05 Epi 2's (Hoyo De Monterrey Epicure No. 2)
RAG from 2005 and back.
PSD4- I'll usually smoke the first half of the box and throw the rest into storage because with just a couple of years of age, it truly becomes an incredible smoke.
Young
Romeo Y Julieta Escudo EL 2007
Hoyo De Monterrey Regalos EL 2007
Trinidad Ingenios EL 2007
Bolivar Petit Belicosos EL 2009
Party Shorts - Partaga's
BGM x4
Hoyo epicure no. 2's
Hoyo De Monterrey's
Cohiba robustos
VR
Punch
RyJ
Bolivar RC's (Although I find it best to dry box for a day before smoking one).
BFB (Bolivar Belicosos Finos) x2
Bolivars (some)
Montes
Montecristo No. 2
Monte PE (Petite Edmundos) x2 with little age.
Trinidad
PSP2 (Partagas Serie P. No. 2), smoke great young
PSD4 (Partagas Serie D. No. 4) x3
ERDM CS x3 (El Rey del Mundo Choix Supreme)
VR Famoso x2
RASCC (RASS) (Ramon Allones Specially Selected (In Cab)) x6
RAG (Ramon Allones Gigantes)
RYJ Short Churchill's
Punch DC (Double Coronas)
H. Uppman magnums 46 x2
JL #2s x2 (Specifically 07's)
Por Larranaga PC (Petite Coronas) they are great smokes now
CM5 x2 (Cohiba - Maduro 5 line), the Secretos in particular but the Genios and Magicos are also good for my taste
Cohiba Siglo IV
The other thing we've got to keep in mind is the pace of changes over the last 2 years and then the 5 years prior to that. Habanos SA have been doing some things with respect to processing and maybe tobacco strains as well and who knows what else. My sense is that these years have not been a time of stability and so opinions on age and youth don't have a consistent and stable baseline to start from. In other words, "ROTT" and "a bit of age" may have dramatically different implications whether the comment was made in 2006 or 2008 and relative to 2004, 2006, or 2007 production.
Wilkey
Sc, as a new smoker, things will taste different to you than to some of us long term smokers...our base line is totally different. We've smoked more cigars of varying profiles and we all subconsciously compare them to one another automatically. So when you ask us to recommend a young cigar, it's subjective.
If you smoke a cigar and like it, keep smoking them regardless of what any of us recommend. Don't ever let anyone tell you what you like....YOU like what YOU like. But use what they say as a excellent starting point.
I read this post and agree with half and disagree with half because I like what I like.
Brian #1 (Infinity) said he likes BGMs (Bolivar Gold Metals) and I tend to agree.
Wilkey (Ginseng) on the other hand recommends aging Por Larrañaga...I smoke the Petite Coronas right out of the box, 2007s that is, and get about 2/3 of a great smoke out of one. But I agree with him about the Trindads, my '07 boxes of Reyes & Colonials smoke decently.
My point being that these 2 gentlemen are experienced Cuban Cigar smokers who's opinion I value...but sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't.
I happen to think the San Cristóbal de La Habana El Principe and La Punta smoke well young...but that's me. My closest smoking buddy says I'm insane with that statement! I think I'm less stringent when it comes to smoking an entire cigar....if I get a pleasurable experience from 2/3 to 3/4 of the stick, I'm happy.
The point being, that's what makes this whole cigar thing very interesting...the passionate debates and the varying taste of all the individuals.....most smokers have a different opinion on most of it.
There was all good info in this post about what cigars smoke young and what cigars should be aged a bit from some great, knowledgeable people.....make sure you take note of that.
So your assignment is to sample them all and take notes about what you thought about each cigar....and we will be waiting to read your opinion about them.
Good Luck
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