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BlindedByScience said:
Well, your own link contradicts what your expert told you, so believe what you choose.

It's a shame you know everything, because personally I've learned quite a bit here. I give up.....
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You seem to thrive on nitpicking, and there are always new ideas. Mike who I mention has 20 years under his belt in the Cigar inductry. His idea, are just information that you may choose to believe or not believe.

In my year on this earth I have seen change I would have never ever believed possible as a kid. Little stuff of importance like a Vacine that made Polio disappear, who would have ever thought that possible.
 
SurfnSafari said:
You seem to thrive on nitpicking, and there are always new ideas. Mike who I mention has 20 years under his belt in the Cigar inductry. His idea, are just information that you may choose to believe or not believe.

In my year on this earth I have seen change I would have never ever believed possible as a kid. Little stuff of importance like a Vacine that made Polio disappear, who would have ever thought that possible.
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As has been suggested before. You should read more and post less. You have diahrrea of the mouth, and obviously don’t know when or how to stop it.

You’re STILL coming across as a know it all. That shite gets old quick. We are all open to new ideas, but when you’re contradicting yourself, you’re gonna have a hard time garnering any support with your new ideas.

You’ve managed to piss of several well respected members here. If that’s your goal, you’re succeeding.

We’re all really wondering what the hell your here for?

Would you act this way when being introduced to strangers at a bar, party or social gathering? If so, I would imagine you have probably gotten your ass thrown out or kicked a few times.

Maybe you have no ill intent, if so you’re going out of your way to have us believe otherwise.

Listen to what people are saying man, if you choose not to, you’re not gonna last here.

We’ve had plenty of yahoos like you come and go.
 
CMontoya79 said:
As has been suggested before. You should read more and post less. You have diahrrea of the mouth, and obviously don’t know when or how to stop it.

You’re STILL coming across as a know it all. That shite gets old quick. We are all open to new ideas, but when you’re contradicting yourself, you’re gonna have a hard time garnering any support with your new ideas.

You’ve managed to piss of several well respected members here. If that’s your goal, you’re succeeding.

We’re all really wondering what the hell your here for?

Would you act this way when being introduced to strangers at a bar, party or social gathering? If so, I would imagine you have probably gotten your ass thrown out or kicked a few times.

Maybe you have no ill intent, if so you’re going out of your way to have us believe otherwise.

Listen to what people are saying man, if you choose not to, you’re not gonna last here.

We’ve had plenty of yahoos like you come and go.
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I tend not to call people's names or make judgement about people who I know little about from a screen name. So I will not start now, maybe you should think about the things you are throwing my way also.

People created forums, message boards, I thought for the expressed purpose like an on line camp fire, trade association, or business focus group we we use to sit around. Exchanging idea, information, knowledge, etc. Is that not the purpose of CP?

Or is CP a forum that is some sort of closed society that does not welcome new people who do not march to the same step as you, or whistle dixie in the same key as the old members?

I learned long ago to listen to the person with the most dumb ideas how to do something, accomplish something, because sooner or latter they may come up with something bring idea. Had I not been listing, I could have missed a great idea.
 
Show of hands, how many here have been in the cigar culture for 20 years.....

Not me, just a little over 10, but I have learned a thing or two in that time.
CP is wait IS all about idea exchanges, however comma you can't post a link saying the world is round and then say that a Guy that knows, says it is flat, and you trust his information....that is just plan dumb...and getting called on it is not wait IS Not nitpicking.

Further more, you passing on anecdotal and second hand information as the gospel, especially in the face of real world evidence and experience, is pure folly.

For real, sit back, relax, read more, post less, and learn the feel and flow of THIS community. It truly can not be compared to any other place on the web

Just my observation, do with them what you will
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MX said:
Show of hands, how many here have been in the cigar culture for 20 years.....

Not me, just a little over 10, but I have learned a thing or two in that time.
CP is wait IS all about idea exchanges, however comma you can't post a link saying the world is round and then say that a Guy that knows, says it is flat, and you trust his information....that is just plan dumb...and getting called on it is not wait IS Not nitpicking.

Further more, you passing on anecdotal and second hand information as the gospel, especially in the face of real world evidence and experience, is pure folly.

For real, sit back, relax, read more, post less, and learn the feel and flow of THIS community. It truly can not be compared to any other place on the web

Just my observation, do with them what you will
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I been smoking Cigar 50 years plus, have a little experience with Cigar I guess. But still have an open mind, try to politely listen to people idea, try not to call people names, and most of the time try and be polite.

I may not agree with how you want to get from point A to B, but you are free to travel your route, and I am free Travel my route.
 
Hey Surf, in this thread alone; some respected members have given you direct polite advice. If you really have been around for as long as you mention you should be smart enough to not shovel against the tide. Doesn’t matter if you like the tides direction or not. Sit back and relax, this really is a friendly, close, ready to help your neighbor type community.
 
What’s got me bugged is that Kona posts this because he needs help dealing with mold and we all try to help him. Then comes ole Surf with a zero value add post and totally derailed this thread.

Surf, just because you have been smoking a long time doesn’t make your opinion gospel. You are still a newb around here. It’s been said and I’ll say it again. Read more post less until you become established. I’d be interested in learning from you if you didn’t come across as a know it all and have an opinion on nearly everything posted in this forum.

Ceaser said it best when he mentioned would you do the same when introduced to strangers at a bar, Party or social gathering? I know I would not. This place is like home to a lot of us and you barging in and spewing your opinion is not something anyone tolerates.
 
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I wish we had an ignore button.
I'd break it on this guy... The grammar alone makes me want to duct tape my head so I don't lose any pieces when it explodes.
 
SurfnSafari said:
You seem to thrive on nitpicking, and there are always new ideas. Mike who I mention has 20 years under his belt in the Cigar inductry. His idea, are just information that you may choose to believe or not believe.

In my year on this earth I have seen change I would have never ever believed possible as a kid. Little stuff of importance like a Vacine that made Polio disappear, who would have ever thought that possible.
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Between the membership here there is hundreds of years of experience. I had 17 when I came here, but quickly realized how little I did know. Difference is, I listened, read, and was willing to admit to myself that maybe I didn’t know as much as I prided myself on. When corrected I accepted it and didn’t take it personally. Learned more in six months here than I did in that previous 17 years.

Fact is, you stated ammonia was the cause of plume when it has absolutely zero to do with it. Ammonia is a product of the fermentation process. Then when a cigar is rolled, the leaves are wetted to make them pliable. This causes another fermentation process that can last a couple of months, or a couple of years. Contributes to what some call a sick period. It has absolutely nothing to do with plume formation though.
This is fact and not my “opinion”. You and your friend Mike are wrong! I challenge you to find anything that contradicts this and post a link.

SurfnSafari said:
I tend not to call people's names or make judgement about people who I know little about from a screen name. So I will not start now, maybe you should think about the things you are throwing my way also.

People created forums, message boards, I thought for the expressed purpose like an on line camp fire, trade association, or business focus group we we use to sit around. Exchanging idea, information, knowledge, etc. Is that not the purpose of CP?

Or is CP a forum that is some sort of closed society that does not welcome new people who do not march to the same step as you, or whistle dixie in the same key as the old members?

I learned long ago to listen to the person with the most dumb ideas how to do something, accomplish something, because sooner or latter they may come up with something bring idea. Had I not been listing, I could have missed a great idea.
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Maybe you’re right about the name calling thing, he’s just frustrated I guess. You keep posting incorrect things. Even defiantly contradicted what you claimed earlier with a link, and then deflected with something else that smells of BS and makes no sense.

How hard is it to say “maybe I was wrong” without deflecting about polio vaccines, internet retailers, and people you know. Along with your grammar, it’s got everyone here scratching their heads. It’s not a closed group or secret handshake society here, but wrong is wrong and expect to be called on it.
 
So I knew there was something in print I read about ammonia, and here is the link.

https://www.thecigarstore.com/blog/how-to-avoid-your-cigars-smelling-like-ammonia

Also my nose has smelled a hit of ammonia on plume. Try your smeller when you encounter plume.

Now to my fellow members I have a few person traits that might bug you. You also my have some person traits that bud me, but I tend to be forgiving most of the time, and keep my thoughts about you as a person to myself.

1. I do not like being called names, yes I can write or speak about ever dirty word in a couple of laud gauges, but try real hard not too. I do listen to facts that make sense to me, but if they do not maker sense I write them off. If you like call names, I will most likely not reply, as I find people who have to attack a messenger, rather then rebut with facts. Not to not be my kind of people.

2. My spelling & grammar are not perfect, but when I worked I had the luxury of really good editors who made me look like a great writer. I also dislike those I call grammar police, volunteer opportunities are open at most Elementry school, kids need your help with English & grammer, where your skills as tutors would be apprieciated. So go help some kids where you live who someday will go from student to worker.

3. I am old, semi-crazy, stubborn, but also listen to those younger then me, or older then me if they have more knowledge then me on a subject. Most interesting stories are from those of the greatest generation. WW-II Vets, very interesting & intresting people to talk with and listen too. Who better to Teasla to about history then those who live it?

4. Last advice is be safe on this Memorial Day, as this holiday weekend, and Labor Day weekend are killers. Very very high accident & death rates.
 
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Dry boxing may work. But age will definitely kill it. If you’re regularly buying cigars with an ammonia smell, they need rest, or are crappy product being rushed out for profit with no care for quality. Things happen with an organic product, but one shouldn’t settle for garbage because you seek a bargain. There are a few great threads here on CP about bargain smokes. I’d read them if I were searching for the best combination of quality and value.
 
That's the second link you posted that says ammonia is a result of the fermentation process and has NOTHING to do with the formation of plume.

This is a self moderated community of people that love cigars. Notice I said community, and that wasn't accidental. We listen and learn from each other all the time, and as John said, there's considerable experience here hiding behind some of the forum names. There are centuries of valuable experience here and it's a resource that's quite short sighted to ignore. Tolerance for people that don't know what they are talking about is perhaps a little short, but it's how these forums roll. There's real value in participating here, as the level of experience and knowledge is such that no matter what your time with cigars, you will learn something valuable all the time.

It'd go quite a ways for you to gain a little humility, admit you're wrong, and maybe this issue could die and we could get back to talking about cigars.
 
Hopefully Kona got an answer about his mold issue...and safe travels on your 4 month journey bro! I can't wait to see and read what it has in store for you!!

SurfnSafari....below is a link to a forum a good number of us belong to that deals almost exclusively with CC. This may be a good read to properly put the plume thing into perspective.

I've been smoking cigars for 40 years and been involved in the culture even longer than that...not that those numbers make me an expert, far from it, it says in that amount of time I've seen & heard quite few things when discussing cigars. In that time, I've met many people "in the industry" and can say with the utmost confidence, most of them are full of baloney when it comes to many cigar subjects. The cigar industry is packed full of sketchy stories and unsubstantiated myths...in fact, that is what makes cigar history so interesting & funny at the same time.

It's an industry chocked full of colorful characters and story tellers...making the search for the truth almost a moot point. So, when it comes to cigars, here is my advice; believe what you see and taste...and half of what you hear.

LINK
 
Honestly, I separate the moldy cigars from the bunch by smoking them. If they taste bad, I stop smoking it.
Iron's post answered the questions relatively convincingly. I didn't scroll through all the pages to see if actual Plume was encountered. Of the fungi listed the only ones that would make me pause are the Aspergillus sp., but I'd still probably roll the dice and smoke them anyway.

** Nerdy rambling below**
As for the secondary thread in Kona's main idea, I just have questions. 1) Has anyone analyzed what plume is, and does it vary from source to source? When I ask "is", I want a detailed description, not oils or ammonia, I'm looking for the chemical ID of each oil that is in it and what salt form of Ammonia it is, because in my mind I think pure ammonia is a gas and to be a solid must be complexed with something. 2) If ammonia is a product of fermentation (http://www.kegg.jp/kegg-bin/show_pathway?map=map00010&show_description=show), where is it coming from? I don't doubt that part of the degradation of the tobacco under anaerobic condition would release ammonia but is that from fermentation or amino acid metabolism?
 
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ironpeddler said:
Hopefully Kona got an answer about his mold issue...and safe travels on your 4 month journey bro! I can't wait to see and read what it has in store for you!!

SurfnSafari....below is a link to a forum a good number of us belong to that deals almost exclusively with CC. This may be a good read to properly put the plume thing into perspective.

I've been smoking cigars for 40 years and been involved in the culture even longer than that...not that those numbers make me an expert, far from it, it says in that amount of time I've seen & heard quite few things when discussing cigars. In that time, I've met many people "in the industry" and can say with the utmost confidence, most of them are full of baloney when it comes to many cigar subjects. The cigar industry is packed full of sketchy stories and unsubstantiated myths...in fact, that is what makes cigar history so interesting & funny at the same time.

It's an industry chocked full of colorful characters and story tellers...making the search for the truth almost a moot point. So, when it comes to cigars, here is my advice; believe what you see and taste...and half of what you hear.

LINK
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Thanks for posting, Gary... I was going to put that up myself. Allow me to summarize: plume = mold.
 
Funny this was mentioned. I had a T52 with slight mold..... Only time I've ever encountered it. It smoked just fine past the slightly moldy foot.

And Surf, I tend to disagree. I don't believe in plume one bit, it all looks like mold to me.
 
ironpeddler said:
In that time, I've met many people "in the industry" and can say with the utmost confidence, most of them are full of baloney when it comes to many cigar subjects. The cigar industry is packed full of sketchy stories and unsubstantiated myths...
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No further comment required. Sir, you hit the nail square on the head. :D
 
SurfnSafari said:
2. My spelling & grammar are not perfect, but when I worked I had the luxury of really good editors who made me look like a great writer. I also dislike those I call grammar police, volunteer opportunities are open at most Elementry school, kids need your help with English & grammer, where your skills as tutors would be apprieciated. So go help some kids where you live who someday will go from student to worker.
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Out of all the things I read when people start making excuses, this one drives me the most insane. Stop making excuses to not know how to properly use your own language. You come in here trying to "educate" people on things you propose to know so much about, but you cant properly use the English language? So perhaps it isn't just "Elementry" school children who need help. Take some time to learn how to use the language you speak and write, and you will probably make more convincing points. I don't know about you, but as soon as I read a response by someone who makes more than one misspelling, their credibility goes out the window. And honestly if you're too lazy to learn at this point and have such a close minded attitude about it, why should we be open to learn from you?

And for the love of whatever you believe in, there's a freakin' jagged red line that appears under words you spell incorrectly, at least you could be not lazy enough to click on those and correct the spelling, the computer does that much for you...
 
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