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Cubans over rated!
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PM sent. I want details!!! :laugh:
KeyserSoze
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People want what they can't have but once they do get there hands on some they eventually realize...(read below) 
SamClemmons
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Eshaw99
Just livin' the dream
Nubman, you titled your thread "Cubans are over rated!" (overrated is one word by, the way). What exactly made you think that such a broad, generalizing statement wouldn't touch off a heated debate on a CIGAR FORUM? Are you honestly shocked by the response you're getting? Seems to me like this is kinda what you wanted
cbob
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Seems to me like this is kinda what you wanted
It's called a TROLL.
And it seems to have had the desired effect - a bunch of non-conclusive opinions and some snarky remarks by some members directed at others.
I'm sure that the OP is happy.
Commander Bob
Seeing no good reasons to give up Cuban cigars.
I think they are delicious, when I am lucky enough to get one.
It's like some of the cigars you've smoked that were an experience.
For me the most memorable include:
PSD4, Monte 2, Tatuaje Taino, Tatuaje RC-184, Cabaiguan Robustos Extra, Even a CAO Extreme that was unbelievable. But those cubans were, and remain, what set the standard. I just remembered my first cuban. A very long time ago. Dark Candela wrapper. It was wonder-full. A doctor gave it to me, introduced me to the term ISOM, and I never knew what brand it was.
It's like some of the cigars you've smoked that were an experience.
For me the most memorable include:
PSD4, Monte 2, Tatuaje Taino, Tatuaje RC-184, Cabaiguan Robustos Extra, Even a CAO Extreme that was unbelievable. But those cubans were, and remain, what set the standard. I just remembered my first cuban. A very long time ago. Dark Candela wrapper. It was wonder-full. A doctor gave it to me, introduced me to the term ISOM, and I never knew what brand it was.
Macion Grey
the Libertine
I am a bit confused as to the wording on your post MadMonk.
It looks like you included the Tatuaje, Cabaiguan and CAO as Cubans?
I dunno, maybe it is just how you typed it.
It looks like you included the Tatuaje, Cabaiguan and CAO as Cubans?
I dunno, maybe it is just how you typed it.
Atlasm
I'll sleep when I'm dead
If we are going to quibble about grammer then ; "(overrated is one word by, the way)" , you put the comma in the wrong place, by the way. Actually I'm not shocked by debate at all. I'm a little disappointed that instead of true rebuttals backed by some sort of logic , I get an attempt at psyco analysis by someone who smokes a Cuban once a year. There may have been some slight hyperbole in my statement, but the fact remains that from my experience there are far too many duds being produced in Cuba. Also I'm not overly impressed with many of the blends, but of course that is just my own opinion. If you love Cuban's that great for you. I smoked an RyJ Churchill yesterday and it was fabulous, after I shoved a screwdriver half way down it to get a draw. My point is and shall remain that Cuban cigars in my opinion do not live up to the hype that they garner, and that non Cubans as a whole are much better than Cubans as a whole. I'm sure you will find several more grammatical errors in this post but maybe we can hear your opinion on the topic instead.Nubman, you titled your thread "Cubans are over rated!" (overrated is one word by, the way). What exactly made you think that such a broad, generalizing statement wouldn't touch off a heated debate on a CIGAR FORUM? Are you honestly shocked by the response you're getting? Seems to me like this is kinda what you wanted
I wasn't comparing the RASS to a White Owl, I was comparing the RG to a White Owl.
mrjinglesusa
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I seem to recall reading that there were more construction problems on '00 and '01 Cuban cigars. Is that true? The above comments seem to support this.
So then why are we giving it him? ??? This has been one of the least productive, least informative threads to cross this sub-forum in a long time. If it started to look like this was turning into a pissing or trolling match, don't we, as a whole have the experience and composure to shut it down?Nubman, you titled your thread "Cubans are over rated!" (overrated is one word by, the way). What exactly made you think that such a broad, generalizing statement wouldn't touch off a heated debate on a CIGAR FORUM? Are you honestly shocked by the response you're getting? Seems to me like this is kinda what you wanted
Mostly everybody seems to have discounted the critical portions of his various posts:
"Another huge problem I have with Cubans is the fact that at least half the ones I get are rolled far too tight to get a reasonable draw. I have heard that this used to be a big problem but it has since been corrected. I beg to differ."
"Unfortunately more often than not I can't smoke them due to the poor draw."
"it's just that I get very frustrated at the consistent tight draws...I went and bought a box and every single one was too tightly rolled...it kind of sucks when you like a cigar and half the time they are not smokable."
"I don't believe I said that half of all Cubans are plugged, I said half of the ones I have smoked are. With some brands like the Montecristos, Partagas, and RyJ's my experience has been more than half are either plugged or too tight to enjoy."
"Even today I believe there are a disproportionate amount of plugged or tightly rolled Cubans compared to non Cubans."
"I smoked an RyJ Churchill yesterday and it was fabulous, after I shoved a screwdriver half way down it to get a draw."
And the quote that sort of wraps it all up for me:
"My point is and shall remain that Cuban cigars in my opinion do not live up to the hype that they garner, and that non Cubans as a whole are much better than Cubans as a whole.
What this guy has done is to toss out an opinion and then repeatedly harp on the tight draws he says he's been experiencing. He's given us nothing substantive to work with and yet we're getting all lathered up. Instead of trying to diagnose what's going on here (e.g., gather more information on specifics of his storage, vitolas, years, sources. etc.), we've spent three pages bantering with someone who's effectively been turned into a troll.
Three pages and 1,168 views and not a single thing has been learned. Not an optimal or constructive use of Rod's bandwidth if you ask me.
Wilkey
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Yes, '99 and '00, due to lack of capa leaf. They started using the H-2000 wrapper, which was thicker and somewhat "fire-proof". Eight to nine years of aging have helped cigars manufactured in these years.
"French wine is best"
"American cars are crap"
"Only Rolex knows how to make a decent watch"
These are statements of opinion, not fact. Any one of these statements can be easily countered with logical, factual arguments. The problem is that statements like this one:
Long and short of it, nubman, is you're entitled to your opinion and it would be interesting to debate the facts but you didn't bring any; just incendiary rhetoric that can't be "proven" either way. Got to wonder why you'd post something like this in the "Island of Cuba" forums anyway. If what you are looking to do is start a pissing contest, please go somewhere else.
B.B.S.
"American cars are crap"
"Only Rolex knows how to make a decent watch"
These are statements of opinion, not fact. Any one of these statements can be easily countered with logical, factual arguments. The problem is that statements like this one:
...don't contain any facts. All they bring to the table is an opportunity to argue opinions and you can do the "...yes they are / no they aren't..." argument ad infinitum. I'd go so far as to label the OP "flame bait". My favorite dictionary defines flame bait as:
Long and short of it, nubman, is you're entitled to your opinion and it would be interesting to debate the facts but you didn't bring any; just incendiary rhetoric that can't be "proven" either way. Got to wonder why you'd post something like this in the "Island of Cuba" forums anyway. If what you are looking to do is start a pissing contest, please go somewhere else.
B.B.S.
Boy, it sure does!
:blush: No, I was trying to say that there have been cigars I've had in my life that have set the standard. Cubans are amongst them, along with some non cubans.
The fellow who started this thread should listen to some of the suggestions, take a little time to reaquaint himself with a few, and see if that raises his level of enjoyment.
Eshaw99
Just livin' the dream
Wilkey, I gotta say you're right here. Nubman, you might as well keep your worms. Nothing's biting in this pond.
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