Cigar girls...

[BkCloud114]

LOL@"get it". I know where you mean by this, but respect should never have to be earned.

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You have to be freaking kidding me, right ??

 

[MiamiCubano]

LOL@"get it". I know where you mean by this, but respect should never have to be earned.

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I rarely, if ever, chime in on musings such as these. But, Emo...you know damn well what he meant by this. Even in the USCG, I know it's true too. Was for me in the USMC, and in many other aspects of my life.

Maybe it's an ideal that it "never" have to be earned...but respect and civility are two different things brother.

 

[Allofus123]

LOL@"get it". I know where you mean by this, but respect should never have to be earned.

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When I first meet someone I will show them all the respect in the world...... after they open their mouth the respect becomes earned or unearned as the case may be. To say respect should never have to earned? WTF?

 

[emodx]

LOL@"get it". I know where you mean by this, but respect should never have to be earned.

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You have to be freaking kidding me, right ??

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Basic respect as in treating others the way you want to be treated shouldnt be earned. But people respecting a long time BOTL is earned. Just a diference in meaning is all.

 

[emodx]

LOL@"get it". I know where you mean by this, but respect should never have to be earned.

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I rarely, if ever, chime in on musings such as these. But, Emo...you know damn well what he meant by this. Even in the USCG, I know it's true too. Was for me in the USMC, and in many other aspects of my life.

Maybe it's an ideal that it "never" have to be earned...but respect and civility are two different things brother.

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You are right in this, it was just that I took the meaning differently is all. Kenny, I live by your motto, so sometimes I do get causght up in how other people talk to others. For a lot of people, there is no respect at all until it is earned.

Emo

 

[BkCloud114]

Emo, give me a break already......

She is here for one thing and one thing only..... ATTENTION..... Look at her profile pic.... neckline down to her bellybutton with a short skirt.... is that not someone who is here for the attention ?? If not, then why not just a picture of her face ??

Alot of BOMBS have been received..... any go out ?

 

[tdog]

My 0.02,

I agree that respect should be earned but "being respectful" and having respect are two different things. Even if you do not respect someone you should be respectful of them until they disrespect you.

 

[MilesMingusMonk]

Now that just isn't as funny as "attention whore", so I respectfully disagreee with all you biatches and bastiges.

 

[KayakinBoy]

LMAO!!! :laugh:

 

[Allofus123]

MMM, did you just call me a bastiges? Now I'm offended! :sign:

 

[Cheekie]

Cheekie-

"I am here now deal with it, no whining! Don't like it there is the iggy button"

Now this sure is arrogant of you. I haven't seen anyone tell you to leave. I haven't seen anyone express a problem with you being here.

This type of post IMO illustrates your hunger for attention.

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I am not telling them to leave, but to leave it alone.
Obviously the same can be said when I am told to "man" up and deal with what is being said. There are two sides here, the fact is that it is ok to tell me to deal with it, but, not ok to tell the person who told me to deal ?

IE-
Paraphrase:

you walked into a man's lockerroom, so deal with what is said.
I walked into the boys locker room, they said something, I said something back... " deal "

 

[ggiese]

you walked into a man's lockerroom, so deal with what is said.
I walked into the boys locker room, they said something, I said something back... " deal "

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there is only one person who understands this... ???

 

[emodx]

Emo, give me a break already......

She is here for one thing and one thing only..... ATTENTION..... Look at her profile pic.... neckline down to her bellybutton with a short skirt.... is that not someone who is here for the attention ?? If not, then why not just a picture of her face ??

Alot of BOMBS have been received..... any go out ?

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No bombs have gone out, but she has made cigar bands and business logos for people. Respect as you say is earned, not bought. I do concede on your other point though.

 

[emodx]

you walked into a man's lockerroom, so deal with what is said.
I walked into the boys locker room, they said something, I said something back... " deal "

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there is only one person who understands this... ???

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LMAO, that is funny.

 

[Cheekie]

I'm really grasping to understand this puritan attitude in one sense, and then a truck driver mentality in another. Clearly you are using words out of context to further your argument - such as the "whore" word - shifting the focus of the argument away from the original intent.

Now you're saying "don't call me a 'bitch', because that's offensive to me under certain circumstances", but "I am not the girl next door; I am the bitch down the street ...." is under your avatar photo...

Cheekie - you're going to have to choose a path and stick with it. You're either going to have to be a puritan, and we're just going to have to watch our mouths. Or you have a rough and tumble mentality and you're going to have to put up with ball busting. I don't see how you can have it both ways...

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LMAO, calling someone a bitch, or tiptoeing the line behind semantics is interesting. So you call her another name(implied by the post), but hide behind semantics? How about you stand behind what you say Mister.

Emo

BTW, off topic, this is why self policing doesn't work. This went from a simple diasagreement, to people purposely "sh!t talking".

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I really don't see this as an exercise in self policing - this is more of a discussion of what it right and proper with situations like Cheekie. You've even made a good point earlier on, Emo, when you pointed out that woman come and go on this board. Maybe it's because of the locker room mentality (rudness, language, photos, etc). Maybe it's because the woman didn't find interest in discussing cigars. Maybe it was because they lost interest... Who knows? But if we intend on attracting woman to the site (and maybe we don't want to), these discussions need to be had.
******* VALID POINT***************
The question out there right now, as I see it, is do we treat Cheekie the same as the other members, or do we make accomodations for her. And if we make accomodations, what is acceptable. Calling her a "bitch" under certain circumstances is okay, but no at other times? Or certain people have the privilege of calling her a bitch, but not every one. I really am looking for enlightenment on these issues. It really does matter.
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And we've been using the "attention whore" tag quite a bit for various members in the past. Maybe we need to rethink using it under certain circumstances? And what circumstances might that be?

I think you two are reading WAY too much into what's being said. I don't think anyone's been disrespectful in these discussions. There have been some blunt things said, but it is all in the interest of dialog as far as I can see.

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I agree with you there maybe a no tolerance for women on this site. I can say that not all here seem that way. There have been some really upstanding awsome acts of commraderie towards me and for those I am grateful.

Now, maybe I fail to see the points where I have been treated with kid gloves or that special concessions have been made. The only thing I ask for is to not be related to the term WHORE in any context- Defending it is pointless there are things in life where people associate things differently- I am not asking for an appology or chastizing who did it I just ask that it not be done again.


Are there any opposed?

 

[Cheekie]

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If a " brother" lost his way would you not use reason to enlighten? Why pick up the nearest stone if it is a sister?

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It seems that the minute a "lil woman" has a word to say about anything that isn't in Agreement there is an uproar. :0

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I'm not sure your "brother" vs "sister" argument has merit. If you've been reading threads on this boards for any length of time (other than your own) then you would know that:

1. Reason is rarely used to enlighten the way of a newbie who has lost it.

2. There is a general uproar whenever anyone (male or female) expresses an opinion that is outside of agreed upon norms.

In other words, you're being treated just like the rest of us.

And for the record, I agree with Tommy that you seem to like attention. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what? It's a name that has a unique meaning on this board, and is not meant to imply anything of a sexual nature. As you stated in your post, "this is not the real world at times and thus the real world rules do not apply." This is a good example of that.

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You really come up with this shit and hide behind the good guy moniker? Stir it some why dontcha? And how is asking an honest question outside the norm? The answers are actually outside the norm. After reading your crap for so long, it is obvious to me that you are on the fringe here. Your post had merit, until you said "I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what?" now it is just stirring the pot.

Emo

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Perhaps I was trying too hard, Emo. My post was meant convey 2 ideas:

1. It is naive for one to expect to be treated differently from others here when they post, regardless of gender. (And, as I believe I've made clear on numerous occasions, I don't agree with how folks are often treated.)

and

2. The term "attention whore", as used by Tommy, was not intended to disparage Cheekie in a sexual manner.

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So, by the qute I amde in itallics, you were rally trying to show her the way? It deosn't matter is %99 of the post is a great point. The %1 of "perceived crap" makes the rest of it pointless. Something to consider.

Emo

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That is a good point!!! 99% of the post is right on the money, but toss the baby out with the bathwater because 1% of the post is offensive??? Shift the focus of the post to the negative because something in that post is found to be offensive by the reader and post this???

You really come up with this shit and hide behind the good guy moniker? Stir it some why dontcha? And how is asking an honest question outside the norm? The answers are actually outside the norm. After reading your crap for so long, it is obvious to me that you are on the fringe here. Your post had merit, until you said "I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what?" now it is just stirring the pot.

I read Steve's post and agreed 100% with it. I didn't find offense with that one line in italics, so therefore the message has meaning to me but not to at least a couple of others? That is WAY too subjective to me...

Cheekie - are you offended because someone called you an "Attention Whore", or is it the "whore" part of that which makes you uneasy. I'm not sure where you are on that issue...

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WHORE ... that is all... thank you for asking

 

[AVB]

I'm a Gurkha whore, you can send them to my AIP.

 

[CoventryCat86]

I am not asking for an appology or chastizing who did it I just ask that it not be done again.


Are there any opposed?

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I'm "opposed"

No one called you a "whore"

 

[BkCloud114]

I'm really grasping to understand this puritan attitude in one sense, and then a truck driver mentality in another. Clearly you are using words out of context to further your argument - such as the "whore" word - shifting the focus of the argument away from the original intent.

Now you're saying "don't call me a 'bitch', because that's offensive to me under certain circumstances", but "I am not the girl next door; I am the bitch down the street ...." is under your avatar photo...

Cheekie - you're going to have to choose a path and stick with it. You're either going to have to be a puritan, and we're just going to have to watch our mouths. Or you have a rough and tumble mentality and you're going to have to put up with ball busting. I don't see how you can have it both ways...

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LMAO, calling someone a bitch, or tiptoeing the line behind semantics is interesting. So you call her another name(implied by the post), but hide behind semantics? How about you stand behind what you say Mister.

Emo

BTW, off topic, this is why self policing doesn't work. This went from a simple diasagreement, to people purposely "sh!t talking".

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I really don't see this as an exercise in self policing - this is more of a discussion of what it right and proper with situations like Cheekie. You've even made a good point earlier on, Emo, when you pointed out that woman come and go on this board. Maybe it's because of the locker room mentality (rudness, language, photos, etc). Maybe it's because the woman didn't find interest in discussing cigars. Maybe it was because they lost interest... Who knows? But if we intend on attracting woman to the site (and maybe we don't want to), these discussions need to be had.
******* VALID POINT***************
The question out there right now, as I see it, is do we treat Cheekie the same as the other members, or do we make accomodations for her. And if we make accomodations, what is acceptable. Calling her a "bitch" under certain circumstances is okay, but no at other times? Or certain people have the privilege of calling her a bitch, but not every one. I really am looking for enlightenment on these issues. It really does matter.
****************See below*********


And we've been using the "attention whore" tag quite a bit for various members in the past. Maybe we need to rethink using it under certain circumstances? And what circumstances might that be?

I think you two are reading WAY too much into what's being said. I don't think anyone's been disrespectful in these discussions. There have been some blunt things said, but it is all in the interest of dialog as far as I can see.

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I agree with you there maybe a no tolerance for women on this site. I can say that not all here seem that way. There have been some really upstanding awsome acts of commraderie towards me and for those I am grateful.

Now, maybe I fail to see the points where I have been treated with kid gloves or that special concessions have been made. The only thing I ask for is to not be related to the term WHORE in any context- Defending it is pointless there are things in life where people associate things differently- I am not asking for an appology or chastizing who did it I just ask that it not be done again.


Are there any opposed?

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I'm opposed...... now you are trying to change something that has been here long before you got here (Just ask emo) and will be here long after you are gone.

urbandictionary.com defines "whore" as someone who does something excessively.... in your case it is posting nonsense (IMO)

Don't try to change things around here just cause you don't like them or don't think they are politically correct towards you.

 

[Allofus123]

Have to agree with CC here. No one here has called you a whore no matter what you are try to convince people otherwise.

Opposed!