Why wait to bring it up a year later and in a thread he started? If you were that concerned about it and weren't getting anywhere in private communication, shouldn't you have contacted Rod via PM or started a thread calling him out?
Would the two other members you mentioned care to weigh in here as well?
I brought my situation up with him in this thread because it's the EXACT same situation therefore it's relevant. This is not the first time I posted about this publicly, it's the second. The first time was around June or July of '08. I'm pretty sure wilkey saw it and chose to ignore it. I was then contacted via email by a member here who said:
noticed you posted something about Wilkey not sending his end for
some boxes. Thought you may be interested to know that I had a fall
out with him on the same issue.
He went on to say this as well:
The irony is that you and I are not the only folks he reneged on. Two
of the guys did not confront him because they are new to CP and didn't
want to cause a hassle.
I responded by asking this person if he would please tell me the names of the individuals he referenced and he declined but did say this:
There are actually 3 guys I know of, excluding you and myself, that
Wilkey just conveniently forgot about. ...I'd rather not mention names, it's not important
I will not disclose the name of the person who sent me this email, you're just going to have to take my word for it.
So never mind me and two others, this email proves wilkey has done this at least FIVE TIMES.
There is nothing to PM Rod about, you should know better than that. Rod has better things to do than tell wilkey that he's wrong.
So now Wilkey has done this FIVE TIMES? I guess I'm just curious as why this is the first I, and apparently most of the board, is hearing about this. If he has been such a bad trader, then why wasn't it made public or Rod contacted to question him? I do know if there is someone on CP who has screwed other board members FIVE TIMES over, then Rod should absolutely be contacted about it as that person should be banned. Do you not agree? The reason why these things should be made public or brought to Rod's attention is the protection of the community, is it not? Because you say this has happend five times, what is to stop it from happening again if it is true?
I never asked you to disclose the names of others, I asked if they wanted to come forward. My question still remains, why wait a year to post about this in a thread he started instead of calling him out in a new thread like should have been done or contact Rod, one or the other or both?
I missed this yesterday. Otherwise, I would have posted as well, backing Bill's claim that there seems to be a trend from Wilkey when it comes to "Hey, send me this, and I'll send you some sticks for your trouble" failures.
I can tell you without even speaking to Bill that the PM's quoted above are real, and the person who contacted him was Infinity. Brian and I were sitting on the beach having a conversation one day when he brought up the subject of Wilkey and an agreement. Same story.......Send me "A", and I'll send you "B". in return. The thing is, he would have gladly sent anything for nothing, but as he put it, "If you tell me you're going to do something, then you better do it. People always let me down, and it pisses me off." I know that Brian tried unsuccessfully to work it out with Wilkey via PM's. In the end, Brian told me he had to tell Wilkey to "Go fuck himself, the guy just can't stand to be questioned on anything."
Now, I only did hear one side of the story as far as the PM's go. I would never have one ounce of doubt as far as the story Brian told me about the "agreement" that was made with him.
The only reason I bring this up is because I know Brian would want me to, and if he were still with us he'd have been right in there with Bill, George, and others calling BULLSHIT.
Go back through Brian's post, do some searching. Many times he tried to bait Wilkey, cryptically calling him out, hoping to get a response from him. He always chose to ignore these post, and Brian never got his chance. Rod doesn't need to know about every little bad thing that happens here. These things have a way of working themselves out and eventually coming to light. What does it matter if it's two weeks, or one year. Screw around, and you'll eventually get caught.
I'm one of the new guys who did not want to "make waves". I was still fairly new here and had unwittingly passed some fakes that came to Wilkeys attention. He verified my cigars and sources as fake Cuban Cigars. I had several thousand dollars of counterfeit boxes in my possession that I wished to send off to him to make absolutely sure were counterfeit. He ended up approaching me with...." I am very interested in keeping several of the boxes you have sent my way. I would use these to dissect and write up for my expose, Counterfeit Cuban Cigars, Exposed. You can go down in infamy by having your name mentioned as the donor, or remain anonymous. I would send you a fine selection of various marcas in exchange, that you can be assured will be the real thing."
Wilkey kept several of my boxes, and sent back a few that I wanted to keep (they actually smoked quite well). I never saw the selection of various marcas. I let it go after hinting about it to him a few times in PM. I never wanted to call him out on it. Honestly, I felt no good would have come of it, and I would have been the new guy going up against a well respected member. I just let it go, and moved on. The only time I ever made mention of it was to Brian when his story sounded eerily similar to mine.
I've never harbored any ill will toward Wilkey, I just recently reciprocated some holiday well wishes from him. I've also had the experience of settling "other concerns" quite amicably via PM's. Trading with him, or buying would be a different story I'm sorry to say. I just have a hard time buying that someone as intelligent as himself, can be so forgetfull on so many counts. Or, can completely miss so many hints, or obvious comments directed at him in threads.
I even bought into his "I'm back, and better than ever after some time off" thread. I privately wondered if he regretted not settling things with Brian and making right before he passed away. I also wondered if his supposed new outlook was brought on by those chain of events, with him knowing the last conversation he would ever have ended poorly.